I've noticed recently quite a few people thinking the flamethrower is good dps on seth... Flamer: 8 base damage per flame +5 on biological +2 on light -3 on armored -3 on massive -Shoots every 1.15 seconds Seth is both armored and massive. And he's neither biological or light. Therefore flamer damage is 2 per flame. That is 1.74 damage per second per flame. Even if you're hitting seth with all 12 flames (not likely), you're doing 20.9 damage per second. THAT IS TERRIBLE and rivals the m45 (17.9 dps) for worst gun to use on seth.