I think its very obvious that the DPS Increase is very situational. If the Forward Observer had no weapon and never shot, then spawned 3 mini's with GPR's, his DPS went from 0 to some non-zero value, and I could make the bullshit claim that the DPS increase was over 9000% because it is true. Even if you multiplied his 0 DPS by 90, it still would not reflect his DPS change from having and not having mini-rines. Likewise, if the Forward Observer is using say, the HMG, then the Mini-AR's aren't a 300% increase. Hell, against a target with 15 armor, the damage increase is nothing. If you had a 300% damage increase, you would be doing 45 damage to that enemy. Instead, you're doing 0.5 x 4 damage. You're simply hitting an enemy 4 times instead of 1 - while it is a damage increase, its a very awkward one. Rather than being so cryptic, why don't you enlighten us of the Forward Observer's Excellence? While true, Massive Firepower means the player has that much more power, and thus in the right hands it devastates everything. In the right hands, a fork can be very powerful and could kill a thousand zombies. At the same time, in the right hands, a gun can be very powerful as well. It just so happens that the Gun will have much more power than the fork at any given point of time, lending us to the conclusion that because its destructive power is higher, it can very well be more powerful than the fork could be in the right hands. Because energy has been the primary factor of skill usage historically. Now you've made a class that this doesn't hold true for, and now that means energy is fuckall useless for him. Oh hey, Field Engineer, Recon, I dont give a fuck for your support in the form of energy. Everything revolves around energy - how much you have, how much you regenerate, how much you use, how long you will have it. Suddenly, the big idea is to make a class tree that doesn't give a fuck for it. Me eating my broccoli doesn't stop children in Africa from starving, but that doesn't change the fact that they would get better mileage out of my broccoli. You're doing nothing more than putting ammunition and weaponry at an inaccessible location. Why give the Infantry FO energy if he doesn't have a use for it? What a coincidence, the Engineer does the same exact thing. Oh wait, the engineer actually has a skill to use aside from replace bot, and has some sort of mutual benefit from working with his bot. The FO could die and nobody would give a fuck aside from having lost MoH. What does the FO have to contribute past his mini's? I laughed when you said it doesn't whore kills. How exactly have the FO mini's changed so that they stopped whoring kills? Its not like you- Oh. That explains why you think that Mini's won't be killwhores - their kill-whoring is mitigated by making killing less valuable in terms of whoring experience. Fabulous way to provide a DPS that doesn't whore kills - just devalue the killing so the DPSing would need to be higher to whore kills on a level in the past. Nice opinion and fantastic reasoning. Is it going to be true if I say it is true? Hybrids have always been shit upon. When you need DPS, you don't go to the Rifleman, you go to the Commando. There's a reason why Silver Star was changed from win with 8x Riflemen - because many jacks of all trades won't beat the aces of spades. Because its easy to look at the ideal situation. Ideally, in the pursuit of the American Dream, you could become very materially wealthy and very happy, but that doesn't mean you will be. You could touch the stars, but that doesn't mean you will. I fail to see what is wrong with his opinion. As far as I am aware, there has always been a dislike of tree hybriding because it was preforming everything mediocrely. I don't see how that sentiment isn't applicable here either. I think there is a difference between taking risks with a regard and taking needless risks for no reason. I don't see how being safe and not camping are mutually exclusive. How exactly does your Mini-Healer change that? Why would I choose FO just for a Mini-Healer that is sub-par at best. I'm sure that even a mediocre hybrid medic is superior to the mediocrity that makes up FO Infantry. Not all options are good or preferable. If your finger hurts, you can amputate it and your finger will stop hurting, but now somewhere else will hurt, and you'll have no finger. You say specialize for all situations but that is nothing more than a paradox. You're just saying to be a jack of all trades. 8 Jacks won't beat 8 Aces. I can put effort toward mashing the button "P," but that doesn't mean that anything good or useful will come from it. The reward from microing those 3 units for the FO doesn't appear to be worth the effort. Its more like you took away the concept of managing energy. Unfortunately, there is nothing that will mitigate your cooldown time, only your energy consumption. So rather than the player's wanton use being a possible limiting factor due to energy (with some things able to mitigate that and allow further wanton use), you've made a hard limit in the form of an unmovable cooldown. But not every class becomes a piece of shit in higher difficulties. And you have? I don't see why anyone would pick Forward Observer infantry over Field Support Engineer. FS Engineer's T1 provides a better tank that doesn't go away and can even reduce armor. Hell, isn't the X-1 Guardian already superior to the FO's infantry? With the FO, you're trying to sell us a shitty version of a Combat Engineer. One that has no use for energy. One that tries to do everything in a crappy fashion. The only reason I would even consider FO, would be to have a Combat Engineer mind-control the Mini's and have all 9 be controlled by the Engineer. The FO would hybrid into Artillery in order to be useful. I would not consider going into a mediocre tree purely - I would rather hybrid between a mediocre and useful tree. There wouldn't even be a reason to bother going Infantry early on anyways, as the CE wouldn't be able to MC them, so it would effectively be just a 1 point delay to T3 for the Forward Observer, if even that. Then we'd have 9 mini-rines and a useful Artillery FO - the best of both worlds. ~~~~~ As far as I can tell, you're only listening to those who are saying its OP on paper and ignoring those who are saying its UP or appears like shit in its probable practice. If you want to hide behind the curtain of "other people think experts would be OP with it," that is fine by me but I don't think its a reasonable defense.