Blacklist threads and related matters

Discussion in 'NOTD Discussion' started by Zuriel, May 26, 2013.

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  1. Zuriel

    Zuriel Well-Known Member

    Some of you have expressedly decided against having blacklist threads, but I beg to differ.

    There are reasons why they should be reinstated.

    1. Easy access to list of known game throwers.

    Look. We spend upwards of an hour per game. Why shouldn't we have the right to play it without intentional griefers? Add on to the time you spend on that game, with the time of 6 other legitimate players and it's many man hours we're talking about.

    2. Discourage bad play

    There's a difference between learning and outright trolling. During the learning process, mistakes are tolerable. Beyond that, it's less so. Intentional trolling gives newbies a bad impression of the game and it's community. We should publicly shame these people to protect the image of the game.

    I understand such a list has the potential to be abused which is why screenshots etc can be provided to justify the addition onto the blacklist.

    In addition, if a screenshot is taken out of context, our community can point it out and have it contested.

    This is a serious issue. Let's have a discussion.
  2. Yuey
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    Yuey Warden

    Its nice when a post lays the problem with itself out very nicely.

    The above is fairly accurate except you left out the time lag involved when a contested case comes up. By which then we'd have 10 pages of TL;DR and an ungodly amount of flaming between two sides and screenshots thrown here and there to sufficiently muddy up the situation. Its a nice thought when the cases are clear cut of people just trolling but most cases where you want a blacklist are not so clear cut. Like for instance, would you put on the blacklist a person who Look!'s allies all the time? Would you blacklist a person who deliberately and constantly sets off every single cam in pub while the team is fighting Tart? Would you blacklist a person who TKs deliberately?

    You say you want to keep track of people who throws games. Does killing the tank count as throwing the game? Like deliberately so? How about telling newbies to stand under Dome C when it starts? How about people that go to a different holdout during BO to screw the team over? Or people who AFK halfway through the game?

    No, blacklist threads are a stupid idea no matter what the circumstance or how rigidly you enforce the submission. Keep a list of players you personally don't want to play with and keep it to yourself. Disadvantages outweigh the benefits. Etc. etc.
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  3. Arturia

    Arturia Well-Known Member

    Just looking at the past black-list threads, there is almost no reason to have one.

    All it does is turn the community into a Witch Hunt frenzy.

    They sound good in theory; they're terrible in reality.

    http://www.notdstarcraft.com/forumarchive/showthread.php?tid=1884
    http://www.notdstarcraft.com/forumarchive/showthread.php?tid=77
    http://www.notdstarcraft.com/forumarchive/showthread.php?tid=179
    http://www.notdstarcraft.com/forumarchive/showthread.php?tid=253
    http://www.notdstarcraft.com/forumarchive/showthread.php?tid=262
    http://notdstarcraft.com/previousforum/showthread.php?tid=1176
    http://notdstarcraft.com/previousforum/showthread.php?tid=154

    Seriously. They are threads filled with shit-flinging, accusations and flamewars of the smallest of things. Even worse, they breed "Blacklist" vigilante's. Mossy was (in)famous for tking anyone who he suspected or accused of being a hacker with a passion. Now imagine that taken to the tenth over people taking oculars, Fibrins, or Medkits. That is not what we need in NOTD.

    We don't need even more people driving off others over the smallest of things.
  4. Shooz
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    Shooz NOTD Staff: Killjoy

    The NOTD community will not have a blacklist thread. That is the end of this discussion.
  5. Ability
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    • NOTD Creator

    Ability NOTD Creator

    There won't be a blacklist thread.

    It's unnecessarily negative and doesn't have a major positive outcome (I feel California's high incarceration rate has some parallels - locking up more people in jail doesn't make the state safer and only costs more resources). I recall us having a 'Good List' thread in the old forums - that brings people together. Why not focus on the people you want to play with vs the other way around. A 'bad' person to one could be completely fine to another. Net, it's too much effort for too little benefit.
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